The rifle mle 1866 Chassepot 1/2

While in modern times wars have become increasingly devastating in terms of human life, it is particularly interesting to delve back into historical writings to see how things unfolded during a given period, and thus observe the evolution of military and industrial practices… among other things. For the first article in this series on the Chassepot rifle, we will immerse ourselves in the period around 1869 and study a section of a book from that era. A second article, to be published at a later date, will provide us with figures regarding the Chassepot Model 1866 rifle. In the conclusion of these articles, we will see whether any lessons can be drawn from the elements brought together.

The second article is available here : The rifle mle 1866 Chassepot 2/2

The Chassepot Model 1866 rifle

Gravure du mécanisme du fusil Chassepot, culasse ouverte.

To present this weapon, we will use a section of a book in which I have carefully bolded the passages that I find significant. This book is titled: Les merveilles de la science : ou description populaire des inventions modernes by Louis Figuier (Volume 3 – 1869).

Page de garde du livre les merveilles de la science.

Transcription of the book :

The Chassepot rifle – its effects – transformation of our old Snider-style tabatière rifles

The Bohemian Campaign and Prussia’s victories on the battlefield of Sadowa in 1866 demonstrated, with striking clarity, the merits of the Prussian rifle. Following these events, and in light of these results, European nations that had overlooked the needle gun with little attention were forced to cast aside their indifference and adopt the new weapon. In France, as elsewhere, there was a rush to replace old percussion rifles with the needle gun. However, the Prussian rifle was open to various criticisms. A commission formed at the Ministry of War in 1866 studied the modifications that could be made to this system, and from its studies came the adoption of an irreproachable needle gun model, proposed by Mr. Chassepot.

Portait de l'inventeur du fusil Chassepot.

It is this rifle, officially designated under the 1866 weapon classification, that we are going to describe. The preceding details, which contain the explanation of the Prussian rifle’s design principles, will allow us to greatly shorten the description of the new French weapon.

Mécanisme du fusi Chassepot, culasse ouverte.

The parts that make up the Chassepot rifle are simpler and less delicate than those of the Prussian rifle. The hammer is of sufficient size. It offers a firm grip due to the knurling on its thumbpiece. Furthermore, to prevent the hammer from being strained by the pressure exerted when cocking it, it has been fitted with a roller to facilitate smooth sliding. By pulling back the hammer, to which part of the sleeve containing the needle spring is attached, the rifle is cocked.

To open the chamber, the bolt is pulled back using the handle; the cartridge is placed into the cavity designed to receive it, in front of a steel disc with a smaller radius than that of the chamber. Below this disc is a small rubber cylinder that exactly fills the chamber’s diameter. This cylinder is more vulcanized on the edges than in the middle, so that under the influence of gas pressure, the central part of the rubber yields, preventing vapors from escaping through the joints between the breechblock and the barrel. The recoil is moderate.

To close the weapon, the handle is pushed back to its original position, then turned down to the side. The first of these movements drives the cartridge into the barrel; the second locks the bolt in place by positioning a protruding part of the handle into a notch. By pulling the trigger, the sear releases the needle spring, which strikes the percussion cap, and the hammer is returned to its original position after the shot.Vue en coupe d'une cartouche pour fusil Chassepot mle 1866.

The cartridge is made of thin paper and reinforced by a silk gauze envelope; it thus possesses the two essential qualities of any good cartridge, namely lightness and strength. An invaluable advantage is that it is completely consumed by the combustion of the powder. The percussion cap is fixed to the lower base of the cartridge, with its opening facing the needle. In this regard, it differs from the Prussian rifle cartridge, in which the needle must pass through the entire powder charge to strike the priming cap. We have explained at some length the advantages of initiating ignition at the top of the cartridge rather than at the bottom, as is standard practice. However, this arrangement required using a needle twice as long and consequently more fragile. This is what led France to decide against placing the cap at the top of the cartridge. The theoretical advantages of that ignition method enumerated above apparently could not outweigh the drawback of an excessively long needle. When the needle strikes the fulminate, the flame is communicated to the powder through two small holes pierced in the bottom of the primer cup.

The French cartridge is costly, and its manufacturing requires meticulous precautions; however, it functions admirably.

Gravure du mécanisme du fusil Chassepot mle 1866 vue de gauche, culasse fermée.

After these preliminary explanations, the two figures representing the mechanism of the Chassepot rifle will be better understood, along with the legends explaining the function of its various components. Figure 373 shows the rifle open for loading; Figure 375 shows the weapon at the exact moment the needle strikes the percussion cap.

The Chassepot rifle is far superior to the Dreyse rifle; it does not feature the complexity of the Prussian weapon, its movements are fewer, and loading is quick and easy. Since the needle is retracted into its sleeve during loading and can only emerge at the moment of firing, any accidental explosion of the cartridge during loading is rendered impossible. There is no longer any gas leakage or fouling, which previously contributed significantly to decreasing the rate of fire.

The Chassepot rifle is shorter than our former standard-issue service rifle; it weighs only 3 kilograms and carries a sword bayonet that is lighter than the old model. Its form is elegant and satisfies our soldiers’ pride. The barrel, which has an 11mm caliber, features 4 helical rifling grooves. Thanks to the complete absence of gas escape, these grooves retain their full effect, making the weapon a true rifle.

Marshal Niel addressed an highly interesting report to the Emperor on the results of firing trials with the new rifle. According to this report, the Chassepot rifle can fire 14 rounds per minute without aiming, and 10 rounds per minute when aiming. It is accurate up to 1,000 meters, reaching further with more certainty than the old rifle did at 400 meters. At this massive distance, a somewhat experienced soldier can put 24 out of 100 bullets into a target. An army of 20,000 men, equipped with this destructive machine, could fire 280,000 rounds per minute and strike down 56,000 enemies, if battlefield firing were as accurate as target practice.

With this prodigious weapon, victory and defeat can be decided in a matter of minutes. About twenty rolling volleys will end a battle. Armies will engage at a distance of a quarter-league, barely seeing one another. Before they can even close the distance, the new rifles will have done their work of extermination: the enemy, terrified and decimated, will be put to flight. Thus, even artillery is surpassed, and the soldiers, it can be said, hold lightning in their hands.

Marshal Niel’s report, upon which these astonishing conclusions are based, is of great importance to the matter at hand. We therefore feel it our duty to place most of this document before our readers’ eyes. In questions of this nature, figures and precise results alone shape opinion; it is therefore the figures that must be emphasized.

The purpose of Marshal Niel’s report to the Emperor is to summarize the overall results obtained since the transformation of our armament became an accomplished fact. After a few words of introduction, the author of the report expresses himself in these terms:

“Commenced in the month of September 1866, but as a trial, by the battalion of Chasseurs à Pied of the Imperial Guard designated to proceed with the first experiments, the actual issuing of the new rifle to the Guard regiments only truly dates from the end of March 1867.”

“Successively extended to the various infantry regiments of the Line as manufacturing progressed, this considerable operation was completed in April 1868, that is to say, within a span of time not exceeding a single year. However recent the introduction of the new rifle may still be—especially for many infantry regiments of the Line—the trials already conducted nevertheless allow us, as of now, to settle opinion on its real value as a weapon of war.”

“Its official effective range is 1,000 meters and can easily reach 1,100 meters. The projectile, driven by a muzzle velocity of 410 meters per second, travels along a trajectory flat enough that, at a distance of 230 meters, it rises no more than 0.5 meters above the line of sight—a flatness which constitutes one of the most favorable conditions for firing efficiency.”

“As a result of the simplicity and promptness of loading, which a man can execute with equal ease in all positions—kneeling, sitting, lying down, as well as standing—soldiers manage to fire 7, 8, and even 10 rounds per minute when aiming, and up to 14 rounds without aiming.”

“It is worth recalling here that for the former infantry rifle, the maximum effective range never exceeded 600 meters, with a muzzle velocity of only 234 meters per second; furthermore, under the normal conditions of regular firing, a well-trained soldier could barely fire more than two rounds per minute with a weapon whose muzzle-loading design, only permitting execution in a standing position, forced him to expose himself under all circumstances.”

“Thus: a considerable increase—nearly double the former standard—in effective range, a one-third increase in projectile velocity, and a much greater flatness of the trajectory; these, combined with a previously unknown rapidity of fire, are the essential qualities immediately revealed by the practical use of the 1866 rifle.”

“From the standpoint of accuracy, its advantages are no less satisfying. I have carefully compiled the records of the target practice sessions held across the various regiments since they came into possession of the new rifle.”

“As the armament could not be distributed to all army regiments at the same time, this part of the instruction—the progress of which is necessarily proportional to the time elapsed since the weapon was put into service—has, in a sense, only just begun for a fairly large number of infantry regiments of the Line. And yet, from the very beginning, the first reported results are already significantly superior to those obtained with the old rifled musket, which the men knew well and had practiced with for a long time. As for the results achieved by the Guard regiments, and especially by the battalion of Chasseurs à Pied—the regiment which, due to receiving its armament first, has had the most time to devote to these exercises—their rapid progress bears witness to the ease with which the men become familiar with their weapon, as well as to its great accuracy. The following table, indicating the average number of hits out of 100 placed on the target at various distances—first with the old rifle, then with the new—for each of the troop categories corresponding to the successive periods of armament, presents highly interesting comparisons in this regard, the details of which I request Your Majesty’s permission to lay before your eyes.”

Tableau récapitulatif des tirs d'essais au fusil Chassepot mle 1866

“As of today, if we take the general average obtained with the Model 1866 rifle, it is easy to appreciate how much this weapon surpasses the old rifled musket in accuracy at the standard distances of 200, 400, and 600 meters.”

“At long ranges, specifically ,1,000 meters, the effective results exceed the average effect produced by the latter at 400 meters, and reach double those previously obtained at 600 meters, which was the extreme limit of the effective range for the firing of that time.”

“These results themselves are not yet the definitive expression of the new rifle’s capabilities. When the regiments that have recently been armed have had the time to complete their training, there is no doubt that the firing average of the infantry regiments of the Line will quickly rise, as it did for those of the Guard, by a large margin. Several drawbacks arising from various causes—mostly inherent to detailed defects in manufacturing, and for which remedies were promptly provided—manifested themselves during the trials and at the beginning of its introduction into service within the regiments.”

“These drawbacks—greatly exaggerated at first, and in all cases made more noticeable by our soldiers’ lack of familiarity in handling a weapon entirely new to them—consisted of broken needles and movable bolt heads, gas escaping, cracked wood, and misfires with both ball and, especially, blank cartridges.”

“None of these accidents present any serious severity today. By becoming familiar with their rifle, the men easily and in a very short time learn to avoid these issues on their own, which now scarcely occur except in newly armed regiments.”

“.The breaking of needles and movable bolt heads, which was quite frequent during the trial period, resulted from defective hardening and insufficient tempering. This was remedied by modifying the manufacturing process accordingly, and the average number of needles replaced in the regiments is now very low; it is lower than the breakage rate of nipples in the old percussion muskets, and furthermore, many of these accidents must be attributed much more to the clumsiness of certain men than to a defect in the weapon’s mechanism.”

“Moreover, replacing a broken needle under fire is an extremely simple operation, in which the soldiers are trained and which they perform on the spot with the utmost speed.“

“Gas leaks, when caused by a manufacturing defect in the weapon, are extremely rare; they are remedied by changing the receiver or the bolt cylinder. The same issue can be occasioned by defective washers; nothing is simpler than changing these washers.”

“Finally, under the influence of dropping temperatures, gas leaks have sometimes been observed, but only during quite severe cold, which deprives the obturator of its efficiency. Experience has shown that, in this case, gas escapes almost always disappear after the first shot is fired, as the obturator resumes its normal shape under the action of the heat generated by the ignition of the charge. These gas escapes, moreover, though perhaps liable to inconvenience the shooter, do not appear to be of a nature to injure him.”

“Some stocks have cracked due to a defective bedding; this flaw is currently avoided in production. By means of a minor repair, the cracked stocks remain fit for good service within the regiments.”

“The first cartridges used were slightly undersized; under the strike of the needle, they slipped forward, resulting in misfires whose numbers initially appeared rather high. These effects were particularly noticeable with blank cartridges, which were not held in place by the projectile like ball cartridges. This has been remedied by slightly lengthening both ball and blank cartridges, and by faintly increasing the diameter of the blank cartridge.”

“Coil springs that are too weak also cause misfires, which are avoided by employing stronger springs. Their replacement is executed with the greatest ease.”

“Despite some minor imperfections in details, unavoidable in the early stages of any new system, our overall armament is excellent. All regiments have welcomed it with the keenest sense of satisfaction.”

“The new rifle, being lighter than the old one and graceful in form, pleases the soldier; full of confidence in his weapon, he loves it, surrounds it with the most particular care—a very striking mark of preference that proves once more how, with their intelligent perspicacity, our soldiers spontaneously grasp and appreciate what is truly good and useful.”

“The Model 1866 rifle is easy to handle; its mechanism is simple and convenient, its maintenance easy. It requires only a very brief instruction to become familiar to the men, who assemble and disassemble it without difficulty, and quickly learn to replace the movable parts with which they are provided, such as the washers, the needle, the movable bolt head, and the coil spring. In a very short time, the least skillful soldier can be initiated into the operation of the entire system.”

“The experiments conducted with the greatest care last year at the Camp of Châlons, and then in Italy by the troops of the expeditionary force, under the most diverse and often least favorable climatic circumstances, have provided proof that, despite a somewhat delicate appearance, the new rifle fulfilled the best conditions to meet all the necessities of field service.”

“Studied from every standpoint, the rifle with which the French infantry has just been equipped combines, to the highest degree, an incomparable accuracy and rapidity of fire with qualities that must secure it the prime rank among the weapons of war in use today.”

End of citation from Marshal Niel’s report.

While pushing forward the manufacturing of Chassepot rifles with great activity, the French government was considering how to utilize the old service rifles that filled our arsenals. As converting these old rifles into Chassepot rifles was impossible to achieve due to the excessive expense it would have required, a search was made among the various known breech-loading weapon systems for the one that would lend itself most economically to a conversion into a breech-loading rifle. The choice fell upon a combination of two systems of English origin, the Enfield and Snider rifles.

End of transcription.

This article requires further development and study, the second article is available here : The rifle mle 1866 Chassepot 2/2

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Comparison: the 8mm 1892 / 7.65 Browning calibers

This article is a logical continuation of the previous one concerning the French regulation Mle 1892 revolver. You can find the first article here: The MAS Mle 1892 revolver: gunsmithing craftsmanship and evolving context.

This article stems from a rumor (one that is not entirely false) suggesting that the 8mm ammunition used by the Mle 1892 revolver is too weak. The downgrading of this weapon is said to be due to the caliber employed. Another factor that prompted the writing of this article was the discovery of a comparison between the handgun ammunition used by France during the Great War (the document is reproduced below).

This article will detail the ballistic data regarding the 8mm 1892 (8mm Lebel) and 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP) calibers. By comparing this data, I will draw my conclusions on the decommissioning of the MAS Mle 1892 revolver.

The French 8mm 1892 cartridge

To help with my analysis, I am going to use a table from a Fiocchi catalog that is very interesting in more ways than one. Here it is:

In my opinion, this table is highly useful because it provides ballistic data for several period calibers from the same modern ammunition manufacturer. It is therefore very easy to compare and debate the choices made by the various general staffs and governments of the time—while keeping in mind that we are not discussing vintage ammunition, but rather reproductions that respect all or part of the original specifications.

The data provided by the Italian manufacturer Fiocchi (see the table above) indicates that for a bullet weight of 7.2 grams, or 111 grains, and a muzzle velocity of 260 m/s, the muzzle energy of the projectile is 245 joules.

When comparing the muzzle energy of several regulation calibers, it becomes apparent that the 8mm 1892 is one of the weakest of its era. This is due to the low velocity of the projectile. The 8mm Steyr features a much higher energy with a very similar bullet weight: 7.3 grams, or 113 grains, and a muzzle velocity of 330 m/s. The muzzle energy of the projectile is 395 joules. The average maximum pressure for an 8mm Steyr cartridge is 2,300 bar (CIP). The average proof pressure for an 8mm Steyr cartridge is 2,990 bar (CIP). These same figures for the 8mm 1892 are 1,200 and 1,560.

One of the peaks is reached by the 7.63 Mauser cartridge, which, by propelling an 88-grain projectile at 440 m/s, delivers an energy of 550 joules (very close to the 9×19 cartridge at around 600 joules). The average maximum pressure for a 7.63 Mauser cartridge is 2,600 bar (CIP). The average proof pressure for a 7.63 Mauser cartridge is 3,380 bar (CIP).

In their book dedicated to Star and Ruby pistols, the authors present a ballistic table of French ammunition from the Great War, comparing the 8mm 1892 and the 7.65mm Browning. The energy of the projectiles is identical and is expressed in kgm: 19 kgm, which equates to 186 joules. This is even lower than the figure advertised by Fiocchi in its catalog.

The energy is the same for a 7.65 Browning and an 8mm 1892. How can it be said that the weakness of the 8mm 1892 ammunition caused the 1892 revolver to become obsolete when its replacement delivers the exact same energy? Was it truly the caliber alone that contributed to the obsolescence of the weapon?

The specifications of the 8mm 1892:

  • Maximum bullet diameter (CIP): 8.28 mm;
  • Groove diameter (CIP): 8.30 mm;
  • Bore diameter (CIP): 8 mm;
  • Twist rate (CIP): 1/240 mm;
  • Maximum case length (CIP): 27.4 mm;
  • Overall length (CIP): 37 mm;
  • Bullet weight (Fiocchi): 7.2 g;
  • Bullet weight (Book: Star and Ruby): 7.85 g;
  • Muzzle velocity (Fiocchi): 260 m/s;
  • Muzzle velocity (Book: Star and Ruby): 220 m/s;
  • Muzzle energy (Fiocchi): approx. 245 Joules;
  • Muzzle energy (Book: Star and Ruby): approx. 186 Joules;
  • Average maximum pressure (CIP): 1,200 bar;
  • Proof pressure (CIP): 1,560 bar.

The 8mm Mle 1892 cartridge is a rimmed ammunition, meaning it is primarily usable in revolvers.

Eight years after the adoption of the MAS Mle 1892 revolver and its 8mm cartridge, the Browning 1900 pistol and its 7.65mm Browning cartridge appeared on the market. This innovation would spawn a whole lineage of simply designed pistols with similar stopping power.

The 7.65mm Browning / .32 ACP cartridge

Introduced in 1899 by FN for use in its Mle 1900 semi-automatic pistol, the 7.65mm Browning cartridge would disrupt the handgun market. This low-pressure cartridge allowed the manufacturing of reliable and simple semi-automatic pistols, as they required no locking system. The absence of this type of mechanism significantly reduced the number of parts and their complexity. The high-profile actions of anarchists during this period contributed, through media exposure, to the spread of these new-generation handguns. The craze was immediate, turning into a massive popular success.

To study this cartridge, I will use another page from the same Fiocchi catalog. Here it is:

Several 7.65mm Browning cartridge references can be found on this catalog page. Depending on the bullet type and its velocity, the listed energy ranges from 175 to 280 joules. This latter value is achieved through the use of a high-velocity hollow-point projectile.

The aforementioned table from the Star and Ruby book provides the following data : bullet weight : 4.85 grams, bullet velocity : 270m/s, projectile energy : 186 joules.

  • Maximum bullet diameter (CIP): 7.85 mm;
  • Groove diameter (CIP): 7.83 mm;
  • Bore diameter (CIP): 7.63 mm;
  • Twist rate (CIP): 1/250 mm;
  • Maximum case length (CIP): 17.2 mm;
  • Overall length (CIP): 25 mm;
  • Bullet weight (Book: Star and Ruby): 4.65 grams;
  • Muzzle velocity (Book: Star and Ruby): 270 m/s;
  • Muzzle energy (Book: Star and Ruby): 186 Joules;
  • Average maximum pressure (CIP): 1,800 bar;
  • Proof pressure (CIP): 2,340 bar.

The 7.65mm Browning case features a very slight rim. It is thanks to this rim that the cartridge is sometimes used in revolvers.

Since the projectile energy is the same, let us look for other lines of thought regarding the obsolescence of the MAS Mle 1892 revolver. Below, you can see some of the direct competitors to the MAS Mle 1892 service revolver.

The Browning 1900 pistol :

A massive commercial success, selling over 700,000 units between 1900 and 1912—which amounts to roughly 70,000 units manufactured per year… no less. The production volumes clearly show that this weapon met the expectations of both the public and government agencies. The pistol became simple, compact, and reliable… it was becoming accessible to all. The manufacturing quality was also a key factor in this success. Having had the opportunity to handle a Browning 1900 in the past, I can say it is a well-designed, well-crafted, and highly compact weapon. Obviously, it was bound to make the revolver obsolete. However, it forces the user to carry it with a round in the chamber and a cocked striker.

  • Unloaded weight: 625 g;
  • Overall length: 163 mm;
  • Barrel length: 102 mm;
  • Magazine capacity: 7 rounds.

The Browning 1910 pistol :

The Browning 1910 is the successor to the Browning 1900. It is a simpler weapon than its predecessor. Flawlessly designed, it would span the decades without undergoing any significant modifications. A very important feature on this weapon is the grip safety located on the back of the pistol grip. It would be manufactured between 1912 and 1975, with over 704,000 units produced.

  • Weight of the 7.65mm version: approx. 590 g;
  • Overall length: 153 mm;
  • Barrel length: 88 mm;
  • Magazine capacity of the 7.65mm version: 7 rounds.

The FN/COLT 1903 pistol :

Manufactured between 1903 and 1945, with over 572,000 units produced for the Colt 1903 and 153,000 for the FN 1903. It would serve as a blueprint for Spanish industrialists (among others) who simplified it, resulting in the Ruby pistol.

  • Weight of the 7.65mm version: approx. 590 g;
  • Overall length: 153 mm;
  • Barrel length: 88 mm;
  • Magazine capacity of the 7.65mm version: 7 rounds.

The Star et Ruby pistol

These weapons fought alongside the MAS Mle 1892 revolver in the trenches from 1914 to 1918. They represent a simplified version of the firearms from the major manufacturers mentioned above.

France equipped itself with this hardware to supplement its inventory without overtaxing the capacity of its national arsenals. The number of Ruby pistols sold to France amounted to 900,000, while the number of Star pistols sold to France stood at 24,000.

Pic Ruby pistol, left side.

  • Weight of the weapon (Ruby pistol): approx. 875 grams;
  • Overall length (Ruby pistol): 157 mm;
  • Barrel length (Ruby pistol): 87 mm;
  • Magazine capacity (Ruby pistol): 7 to 9 rounds.

Conclusion

By bringing the above elements together, it can be seen that as soon as the Browning 1900 pistol was released (only 8 years after the adoption of the revolver), this automatic weapon outperformed the French regulation weapon of the time in certain areas:

  • The weapon is lighter;
  • The weapon is highly compact;
  • The manufacturing is simple;
  • The manufacturing quality is flawless;
  • Maintenance is easy;
  • The weapon has a smaller footprint;
  • The reloading speed;
  • The magazine capacity is superior.

It can be noted that the power of the 7.65mm ammunition is very close to (if not identical to) that of the 8mm 1892 cartridge. Despite this similarity, the 7.65 Browning caliber would be adopted by numerous countries and private users worldwide, prompting the manufacturing of millions of firearms. These weapons would equip various government forces well into the 1970s or even 1980s. This clearly demonstrates that criticisms regarding its power pale in comparison to the advantages offered by the principle of automatic operation. It then becomes possible to place multiple rounds onto a single target without having to worry about its stopping power or the weapon’s reloading time.

The 7.65mm Browning semi-automatic pistol therefore replaced or supplemented the MAS Mle 1892 revolver and its derivatives in some hearts and for specific uses. However, although its reloading takes longer and its capacity is lower, we must not forget that the revolver remains king across certain segments of the operational spectrum. The Germans’ use of the MAS Mle 1892 revolver on the Eastern Front during the Second World War clearly demonstrates this.

The rapid evolution of the industrial context in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the development of smokeless powders, and advancements in steel manufacturing enabled a series of technological leaps forward, rendering certain weapons and warfare techniques obsolete. Swordsmanship in combat is a thing of the past, and the rationing of ammunition is fading away.

A constant demand for modernity and efficiency would bring another intermediate-diameter cartridge to the top step of the podium: the 9mm Luger (whose muzzle energy is close to 600 joules). But that is another story.

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The MAS Mle 1892 revolver, gunsmithing craftsmanship and evolving context

Revolvers have been around for a very long time, since about 1830. I will not debate historical issues here, as this is not my field of expertise. Petty squabbles over minor details are common among amateurs and/or specialists, but in my eyes, these carry little importance. However, through two articles (this one and the second being : Comparison: the 8mm 1892 / 7.65 Browning calibers), I would like to offer you some insights into firearms design and manufacturing, using the MAS Mle 1892 revolver as a case study.

You might ask me why the MAS Mle 1892 revolver is so special that it sparks a broader discussion on the small arms world in general, and on firearms design and gunsmithing in particular. After detailing the strengths of the Mle 1892 revolver, I will attempt to place it within the context that gave it its reputation as an outdated weapon: the First World War. Is the Mle 1892 revolver really that ancient?

The MAS mle 1892 revolver

First and foremost, I would like to pay tribute to Mr. Henri Vuillemin, author (and thus one of my peers) of the book Le 1892, published by FG éditions/Crépin-Leblond, which I partly relied upon to write this article.

The strengths of the revolver mle 1892

When comparing this weapon with its competitors of the time, the Mle 1892 revolver was at the cutting edge in many areas. What can be credited to its success :

The unloaded weight of the weapon is 840 grams. This makes the Mle 1892 revolver a sleek firearm, pleasant to carry. It is a very elegant and lightweight weapon, contrasting sharply with the bulky Reichsrevolver or the Smith & Wesson in .44 Russian. It is much less exhausting to handle.

The rebounding hammer prevents the firing pin from piercing and sticking into the primer. This might bring a smile today, as a hammer that retracts when the shooter releases the trigger is taken for granted on modern revolvers, but at the time, it was innovative. Without this design, once the firing pin is jammed into the primer, the cylinder is blocked from rotating and the trigger becomes inoperable. This can damage the firing pin and, above all, wastes precious time for the soldier, who will first be caught off guard and then have to scramble to fix the issue. Needless to say, on a battlefield, one has better things to do than clearing this type of malfunction.

Double-action is widespread today, even to the point where some firearms are double-action-only. Being able to fire without having to manually cock the hammer can, in certain circumstances, provide an advantage over an opponent whose weapons function only in single-action. In addition to the time required to cock the hammer, the shooter must alter their grip and shift away from their shooting position to do so. Double-action was a recent development at the time, and not all of the Mle 1892 revolver’s competitors were equipped with it.

Easy to disassemble, the Mle 1892 revolver’s firing mechanism can be completely stripped, cleaned, and oiled by the operator. The soldier is the frontline diagnostician for current or future malfunctions and wear. At the slightest defect found, the soldier must report to the higher maintenance tier and have the weapon inspected by qualified personnel. For this reason, it is imperative that every soldier cleans their weapon and, on that occasion, inspects every part and reports anything that seems unusual. In this regard, the Mle 1892 revolver is well-designed: simply loosening the screw at the top of the grip (right side) allows the trigger guard plate to swing open, granting full access to the entire firing mechanism.

The 1892 revolver disassembled with all of its parts.

The mechanism

Cost-cutting was not a priority for this weapon. All the parts feature complex shapes, yet they are all flawlessly executed. One must visualize the industrial world of that era. CNC milling machines, lathes, or slotting machines obviously did not exist. All machining was done on conventional (manual) machines, likely using numerous form cutters or specific fixtures dedicated solely to manufacturing this precise firearm. To this, a series of inspectors must be added to verify whether the parts fell within the specified tolerances.

Sketch of the 1892 from a military manual.

Launching the manufacturing run of tens or hundreds of thousands of parts carries extremely heavy implications. Under these conditions, it is no easy task to turn back and embark on a new program as if nothing had happened.

One hundred and six years after leaving the factory, the weapon photographed here is fully functional and in excellent condition. Finishing must have been a major part of the manufacturing process. The fit of the parts is perfect: none of them bear any machining marks, no burrs are present, and the edges of the components remain sharp. This was not a rushed deburring job, but meticulous craftsmanship. The bluing is still present, though slightly faded in some areas. A patina that certainly has its charm.

Four parts are to be disassembled: the hammer spring, the hand, the hammer, and the trigger. The firing mechanism consists entirely of these four components. There is no difficulty in separating them from the frame of the weapon. The parts are robust (hence not fragile) and very well finished.

The hammer is made of steel. It is polished and features a beautiful straw-yellow finish. The hammer spur is bulkier than the body and is checkered.

The hammer strut enables double-action operation. It is held in place by a screw that acts as an axis, and its movement is driven by a helical spring.

The firing pin pivots around an axis. There is no return spring.

The hammer spring is made of steel. It consists of three parts: the spring itself, a roller, and the roller axis. A metal lug, integrated into the spring, fits into the frame to hold it in place.

The roller is in contact with the hammer through a V-shaped notch located on the hammer.

The 1892 revolver hammer, left side, with the hammer spring in place.

The trigger is made of steel. The hand is carried by the trigger.

Machined from solid steel, the cylinder stop and the cylinder bolt lock the cylinder at a specific moment in its rotation.

The hand is driven by one of the leaves of the hammer spring, which forces it forward. It is the hand that rotates the cylinder.

The frame is made of steel. It is a monobloc design. It is onto this master component that all other elements are mounted.

It is a sleek and complex component that requires a significant number of machining operations.

The barrel is screwed into it. There is no barrel retaining pin.

The sideplate is made of steel. It is a monobloc design. It mounts to the front of the frame and pivots around its attachment point.

It grants access to the mechanism after unscrewing a dedicated screw.

The cylinder is made of steel. It has six chambers. It swings out to the right side of the weapon after opening the loading gate. A spring carried by the frame indexes the position of the cylinder.

It is secured to the frame by a small transverse screw.

The simultaneous extraction of all six cartridges is achieved by pushing the rod at the front of the cylinder. To disassemble the cylinder, the screw located on the large sleeve at the front of the ejector rod must be removed.

The markings

As the icing on the cake of this sleek design, a beautifully executed engraving on the right side of the frame indicates which arsenal the weapon came from: the Manufacture d’Armes de St Étienne. It is reminiscent of the engraving found on the spine of the blade of French regulation Mle 1822 swords.

The ammunition

The choice of caliber was bold for the time, yet uninspired since it was loaded with black powder. Its stopping power is said to be too weak compared to the British .455, the German 11mm, or the .44 Russian. War is not a static ground where an enemy would calmly wait to die from a projectile intended for them, fired just as calmly by a second soldier who is likewise unfazed by the fear of death. Obviously not!!! Hence the necessity of having a projectile with sufficient stopping power to deliver an immediate shock, instantly halting the threat posed by an enemy fueled by adrenaline.

The use of a heavy, large-diameter projectile traveling at high velocity that transfers all its energy upon impact is more effective than a lightweight, low-velocity projectile. The 8mm caliber chosen for the revolver studied here featured a muzzle velocity of 215 meters per second. This is not even the speed of a .22 Long Rifle, though with a heavier bullet weight: 7.8 grams compared to 2.59 grams for the .22 LR.

I believe the choice of this caliber stems from a desire to conserve raw materials, thereby producing more ammunition with the same amount of resources. For the same weight, a soldier could carry more ammunition. At the time, downsizing firearm calibers was highly fashionable. It was an innovative choice, but one that would have benefited from a higher muzzle velocity.

The downsizing of the projectile (meaning the reduction of both its diameter and weight) would be widely embraced many years later by firms like HK and FN Herstal. They achieve significant armor penetration with 5.7mm diameter calibers for FN Herstal (bullet weight: 2 grams for a velocity between 650 and 750 m/s) or 4.6mm for HK (bullet weight: 1.7 to 2 grams, for a velocity close to 700 m/s)… with greater energy than a 9mm… But that is another topic.

The mle 1892 revolver and the first world war

Why do we read everywhere that the Mle 1892 revolver was quickly outdated? Is it true?

It is astonishing to see that this weapon became obsolete so quickly, despite the innovative strengths we noted above. The emergence on the market of reliable semi-automatic pistols chambered in calibers close to 8mm—yet smaller than the 11mm regulation calibers common in many countries at the end of the 19th century—dramatically transformed the handgun market. Among these intermediate-caliber handguns, we can mention: the C96 in 7.63 Mauser, the Colt 1900 in .38 ACP, the Colt 1903 in .32 ACP, and the P08 in 9mm Parabellum… It is fascinating to observe how a semi-automatic pistol can bridge the future and the past. In 1911, the Colt 1911 was adopted; it retained a large-diameter ammunition: the .45 ACP (11.43mm). It would span the 20th century to reach us virtually unchanged, and this weapon, along with its derivatives, remains highly popular and widely sold today.

The late 19th and early 20th centuries were periods of incredibly rapid change. Profound mutations in society and industry took place during these times. The defeat of 1870, through its stark display of unreadiness, left behind a fierce determination not to lag too far behind other European nations.

While the Mle 1892 revolver was outdated due to the ammunition it used, it retained the advantage of its double-action system, as no semi-automatic pistol of that era operated in double-action. To achieve the firing speed of a revolver with a pistol, it was therefore necessary to keep the hammer cocked with a round in the chamber. It is also important to understand that no semi-automatic pistol of the time was equipped with a firing pin safety. If we couple this with the fact that the steels used for Ruby pistols were of low quality, accidents must have been frequent.

While the reloading time of a revolver is much longer than that of a semi-automatic pistol, the revolver itself is more reliable in extreme conditions. A revolver does not jam, and it is not—or at least less—susceptible to external dirt and fouling.

Furthermore, it must be remembered that the Mle 1892 revolver’s mechanism can be completely disassembled by the operator, which is not the case for many other weapons. Just try taking apart the trigger and firing mechanisms of a Ruby pistol! Fast reloading is only advantageous if the operator has a substantial number of magazines; however, not all Ruby pistol magazines were interchangeable, which must have led to significant issues.

According to Henri Vuillemin in his book : Le 1892, it appears that an undetermined quantity of Mle 1892 revolvers were supplied to the Wehrmacht during the brutal Russian winters of 1942, 1943, and 1944, as the harsh weather conditions rendered pistols inoperable or unreliable. While the 1892 revolver were deemed outdated in 1944, they were still being used thirty years later under the most grueling conditions.

Faced with trench warfare, which became the new norm as early as December 1914, the army general staff supplemented the use of the Mle 1892 revolver with semi-automatic pistols from various sources, but primarily from Spain. Their manufacturing quality was far inferior to that of the Mle 1892 revolver. However, this confirmed the fact that the revolver was no longer up to date (at least at that time and in that specific context). A fast reloading method and a weapon shorter than a rifle were required to take and ‘clear’ a trench.

Conclusion

In my opinion, the main issue with the Mle 1892 revolver is its loading system. It no longer fits the context of that era. However, this does not mean it should be left to gather dust on the rack; if you place it in the right context, it fully regains its value, even today.

So the question arises : why did France not choose a semi-automatic pistol? It was too early in 1892, and not a priority in 1914. The latter was given to weapons capable of repelling assaults and breaking enemy lines: machine guns and artillery.

How could anyone know that the conflict would take on new, unknown forms to become a trench war? How to predict the future? How to maintain an industrial infrastructure that is underutilized in peacetime so that, if necessary, this industry can be placed at the disposal of weapons engineers to ensure greater responsiveness in times of crisis? These questions are complex. The bare minimum would be a permanent technology watch, recurring tests on new equipment, continuous tracking of these systems, and evaluating their evolution with interest in order to reorganize rapidly if necessary—thereby maintaining the sovereignty of the French people and the continuity of the state. A legitimate state that equips its soldiers with reliable and suitable gear so that they may protect it.

The desire for revenge following the defeat of 1870, the obsolescence of the arsenal, the lack of preparation, the rapid evolution of technology, the resistance to change, the colossal sums required to maintain or upgrade equipment, personnel training, the reconstruction of the country… all of these factors led to a war begun in red trousers, massive foreign weapons purchases, and ultimately, a staggering toll of trauma among brotherly and neighboring peoples. France, a vanguard nation in 1914, lost its status to younger, less impacted nations. Who benefits from the crime?

The moral of the story: one should not play the warmonger, bringing misery upon one’s people, if one is not prepared… especially when playing on home turf.

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